Upon disassembly I found my #4 ACL piston beaten up, appears to be damage from maybe a spark plug ground strap or some other foreign body? References. The valves hit the pistons pretty bad and was curious if its worth just putting a new head or should i look further into the pistons, attached are picture let me know what you think . How much damage will this have done? Step 1: Check the Status of Your Piston As a matter of fact, piston slap is not truly destructive at all. What's worse, in an engine this hot, the pistons might swell. Advertisements … 0 0 0. By xonix_digital, November 7, 2010 in Nissan L6 Forum. Number 1 piston/bore. A lot of good suggestions, but let me give my perspective, as I've rebuilt the engines of three of the cars I drive First, just because of the blue smoke, don't throw in the towel. This debris can also collect in the bottom end of the engine. Tony1963. Feb 9, 2010 #1. Minor Piston Damage Sign in to follow this . Any one have an opinion on how bad this piston looks? All piston rings appear sound as there was good compression prior to head being removed, and oil soak test shows no oil seeping past rings. Slowing it down so that it hits the end of the compression chamber without causing any damage to the piston. This DOES NOT mean you need an engine. Joined: Nov 8, 2009 Location: Smithtown Local Time: 4:02 AM. A connecting rod is about $105. 2,009 … The pistons use round wire lock type pin retainers. How to check easily that are engine's pistons rings OK or wear out in car or truck? If the crankshaft, crankcase, or cylinder head is damaged, you would be better off looking for another engine. Piston Wrist Pin Damage Wrist pins can wear out prematurely if the pistons are not receiving enough splash lubrication, but they can also fail as a result of over-revving the engine or too much rod flex. This technical article serves as a guide for the most common mechanical problems that plague engines. Apr 28, 2014 #1 Sorry for the novel, but I figure too much info is better than not enough. Oil sample probably will not tell much either way.-Eric : 8 : Cummins:B Series: 4BT a little pop then power loss and some whitish gray smoke: Flabum : 12 : 2 : 25-Nov-16 Reply: Flabum : 14-Sep-16 : There is very little clearance between the head and piston when at TDC, hopefully the tip ended up in the piston cup. This would cause the oil to foam and be full of little air bubbles. 8,788 posts. The worst case is that is can cause internal damage to your air rifle, requiring new components. Share this post. Careful e of the mechanical or tuning problem that's damaged pistons as well so The crown of the piston shows an ideal carbon deposit pattern. Metal contact between the piston rings and the cylinder wall (Fig. If you have a spring-piston or gas-ram airgun then you shouldn’t dry fire it unless the manufacturer’s instructions explicitly say you can do this. Re: This CAN'T be good - piston damage Looking at your pictures the damage is typical trigger failure. bbaxj. Discussion Starter • #1 • Jan 22, 2017. Hopefully the cylinder is ok. In the event of fuel flooding, the oil film on the cylinder wall suffers so significantly that the piston rings rub metal on metal against the cylinder wall and quickly lose radial wall thickness. Posted November 7, 2010. The plugs that came out were fine, I don't remember one ever breaking, never pinged. I usually put a belt on it and see if it is ok, but you can also do a leak down test to see. Below are the top 5 symptoms of bad piston rings. If there is a lot of exhaust smoke coming out of your vehicle, this could be an easy sign that you have bad piston rings. The rest are not this bad, but I guess I have to act on the worst case. It is often accompanied with a burning oil smell. Andrew Well-Known Member. I do not know how you can cause so much damage to the #4 piston and not hurt #1 as well. Piston pin "end play" ? If the cylinder heads are damaged, they would need to be replaced. 137 Posts . Piston Damage. Piston damage is not the only consequence of bad filtration. 1-PERFECT BROWN CROWN The crown of this piston shows an ideal carbon pattern. Go. It is debated online as to how much damage dry firing can cause but the general consensus is that it shouldn’t do it. The ends of the rings can gouge the cylinder wall, preventing the other rings from making good contact with the cylinder walls and exacerbating the symptoms. Mar 30, 2006 #3. Step 2: Determine the Cause of Piston Slap. Reply ... might be a slim chance of damage if doing flat out track days , will be ok under normal driving . Were any of the srpings broken or stressed in anyway? Thread starter bbaxj; Start date Apr 28, 2014; 1; 2; Next. Next Last. Hey guys, One of my customers has a set of brand new forged pistons that he brought by for me to look at. 1) Too Much Exhaust Smoke. The other pistons look eroded also.Do not reuse this trigger!! Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Prev; 1; 2; Next ; Page 1 of 2 . This smoke will look very thick and have dark gray and blue colors to it. Thoughts? The third function is to take heat away from the pistons so that it doesn’t damage the engine. A crankshaft is about $750. The outer edge of the piston crown is badly pitted - see photo. The transfer ports on the engine are flowing evenly and the carbon deposits are a dark ch ocolate brown colour. If the cylinders are damaged you will need to replace the cylinders. The average builder can certainly opt to use standard production-gapped rings to avoid this issue. 2 Photos. Go Google 'detonation piston damage' and educate yourself on just how much damage can be caused. Followers 4. ston is likely to take most of the damage. Minor Piston Damage. I have two spare ('89)Force 85 HP motors and both have one cylinder damage/low compression (70 psi) The cylinder-wall are okay & I can Hone them. Here are some bikes that used the same piston. You cannot afford to have one of its functions go bad, let alone all of them. Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements. How much is ok ?? Besides the damage caused by blow-by gases, improper lubrication and free hydrocarbons in the oil, there may be mechanical damage evident. When you pulled the head what kind of damage did you see there. A Subaru '09 with 60.000 miles has a damaged piston. Joined May 1, 2012 Messages 11 Location Michigan. trickywoo. Can it be reused? … Post by BillK » Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:59 pm. Recommended Posts. 2,479 posts. Too Much of a Good Thing. When an engine failure occurs, the piston is likely to take the brunt of the damage. 1 of 2 Go to page. This indicates that the bike's engine has been set up and jetted correctly. bbaxj ArboristSite Lurker. Why can’t I change the piston and fix whatever other damage it might have? One key to a successful engine build is to prevent this from happening. I can only imagine how bad this thing sounded. Valves and seats are fine too. Was there some other damage done? Bores may be ok now. GTM Proven Member. It was surprisingly quiet, probably due to the piston pin offset and the octagonal expander rings. Tore down a 2002 4.0 today that had compression issues. A thin layer of oil coating all of the internal moving parts of your motor is what allows its components to rotate at extremely high speeds for thousands of miles without worrying about any damage. The only cause I can think of would be something in the valve train and the since one was not touched I would look at the springs first. Messages: 206 Likes Received: 5. For this to happen would be at least one quart too much and probably much more than that. This leads to premature bearing and seal failure. After damage due to dirt, damage and wear caused by fuel flooding is the second most common cause of damage on piston rings. Engine was a mild n/a setup, never an issue made over 260rwhp. JACUSTOMER-5b7sskfj- : Not that I know of the car just shut off and the check engine light came on. This will require you to get a good mechanic to dismantle the engine for you. No idea how long it was ran like this. There are many common reasons for this problem. This damages the bore, which means a very expensive engine repair -- if it is repairable at all. What caused this? Cut issue and scored piston: how much is too much? Total Rating 0%. Find an appropriate feeler gauge to try to determine if the top of the piston has been beaten over and made to rub. So, you should check and determine whether your piston is still in a good status. Air bubbles aren’t a good lubricant. The first thing you will need to do is to check the status of your pistons – are they in good condition? Finally, the last function of piston rings is to ensure the piston does not knock against the cylinder wall. I used new rings and gave the cylinders a quick hone and ended up with 0.0045 piston clearance. When a faulty air filter is replaced, this puts a temporary stop to further debris damage, but it does not reverse damage once it has occurred. Apr 28, 2014 . This will cause a certain amount of damage, dependent on the make and model of your gun. please let me know if this piston damage is referred to as; melted piston IMG_1833.JPGIMG_1834.JPG Easy way to check, that are engine's pistons rings OK or not. Now he is looking for other options This car can be sold -in good condition- for about 12.000 but without the engine is worth 4-5.000 should I put a new engine to a 4 year old car? Audi TT 1.8T Broken Timing Belt Possible Piston Damage 02-18-2011 06:55 PM #1. Sunday 14th June . In June last year I put together a top end using some used (low mileage) stock pistons and some relatively high mileage ported cylinders (first over). A careful examination of the piston can help a mechanic trace the source of a mechanical or tuning problem. Even in a mild case where the ring ends barely touch, the result can be a heavily scored cylinder wall and serious piston-ring-land damage due to this excessive load. xonix_digital 0 xonix_digital 0 Junior Member; Members; 0 127 posts; Location Boston, MA; Trader Feedback. Too much would be when the crankshaft and piston rod ends are hitting the oil in the crankcase. Ok, I now have a pristine cylinder head ready to marry up to the block, but I'm concerned about number 4 piston. I know some parts are different but i think 03 and 04 cylinders should go in without any other mods. BigBob : I should have said valve to valve bending, not valve to piston. When the air rifle is dry fired, there is no pellet to slow the piston due to air resistance, making the piston hit the end of the compression chamber under much greater pressure. Part # = 43048-006 Part Description = CALIPER PISTON Model Count = 13 Model Name Year Size Description Type KH400-A3 76 400 KH400 STREET KH400-A4 77 400 KH400 STREET KH400-A5 78 400 KH400 STREET KH500-A8 76 500 KH500 STREET KZ750-B1 76 750 750 LTD TWIN LTD STREET KZ750-B2 77 750 750 LTD TWIN LTD … The old distributer type ignition will cause preignition on #1 & #3. 119 months. A worn crankshaft thrust bearing that allows too much back-and-forth movement of the crankshaft can flex and twist the rods as the engine runs. Sure, it is somewhat noisy, but this issue does not cause much wear. The mechanic first said that I need to get a new engine for 5 grand. It depends on how much internal damage and how the engine is blown. Would it be ok to clean up and reuse or bin it? Check for cylinder ridge indicating wear. 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